<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">as an aside here: you could easily do the menu in flash, and build an alternate version with html that gets replaced by swfobject if they have flash.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>that way google will index all the links, but people with flash player will see the flash menu.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 21, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Michael Ypes wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Well there can be many reasons, mine was because I wanted it to be able to be search engine friendly, don’t google it though as it doesn’t come up </SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Wingdings"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Also if the user wants content under the menu which isn’t flash then there will probably be a whole bag of issues with that as well. Never tried it personally as I have tried to steer clear of it. If the content was all flash then they could, as you said, do a drop down menu driven by an external xml file. I did one when I built the animal site ( <A href="http://www.animal.co.uk/">http://www.animal.co.uk</A> – does not use the swfobject ).<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">From a personal point of view I always prefer building navigation systems in flash as they are more appealing and you have full control in how they behave and interact with the user.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">By the way I wouldn’t say your dumb, just intellectual challenged </SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Wingdings"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:navy">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy"> he he<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Cheers<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">M<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> <HR size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com [<A href="mailto:swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com">mailto:swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jim Berkey<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 21 June 2006 12:40<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:swfobject@lists.deconcept.com">swfobject@lists.deconcept.com</A><BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [SWFObject] SWFObject Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang="EN-US"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">What am I missing? After following this thread for a while, I see a flash author trying to jigger a css dropdown menu to work cross-browser on top of a flash file. Am I dumb(rhetorical- please don't answer)? - why don't you just create the menu - much more elegantly (imho), within the flash file? Is there a design restraint that I'm not seeing? The menu can even be xml driven if it will change often.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Arial">*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********<BR> <BR> On 6/21/2006 at 12:00 PM Gordon Newell wrote:</SPAN></FONT> <O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Brion,</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><div style="z-index: 2" id="header"> (I added the style="Z-index: 2")</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">and</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><div style="z-index: 1" id="flash1"> (I added the style="Z-index: 1")</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">It works ;)</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Gordon.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> <HR size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com [<A href="mailto:swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com">mailto:swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com</A>] <B><SPAN style="font-weight: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Brion Keith Mills<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, 21 June 2006 9:53 AM<BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="mailto:swfobject@lists.deconcept.com">swfobject@lists.deconcept.com</A><BR> <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [SWFObject] SWFObject Digest, Vol 3, Issue 26</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang="EN-US"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks Jason,<BR> <BR> However, when I changed to: </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="font-family:" courier="" new""="">so.addParam("wmode", "<B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">opaque</SPAN></B>");</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-family:Arial"> I got the same results.<BR> <BR> I'm beginning to think this is hopeless. Here's the link to the Flash in question: <A href="http://65.115.104.39/1105Media/index_v3.html">http://65.115.104.39/1105Media/index_v3.html</A></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P> <DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><SPAN class="gmailquote"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt">On 6/20/06, <B><SPAN style="font-weight:bold">Jason Grunstra</SPAN></B> <<A href="mailto:jgrunstra@gmail.com">jgrunstra@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <O:P></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt">wmode = "opaque" typically gives better frame rate performance, and<BR> will also allow you to display layers overtop of Flash<BR> <BR> > Subject: Re: [SWFObject] SWF Object and CSS drop menus<BR> > did you try wmode = "transparent" ? <BR> ><BR> > On 6/20/06, Brion Mills <<A href="mailto:bmills@101com.com">bmills@101com.com</A>> wrote:<BR> > ><BR> > ><BR> > > Hello Geoff,<BR> > ><BR> > > Let me first start off by both thanking and congradulating you on your <BR> > success with swfObject.<BR> > ><BR> > > I am contacting you regarding an issue that was brought up in your "Why<BR> > don't you use FlashObject?" post.<BR> > ><BR> > > In the comments section, a user addressed the problems with Flash <BR> > transparency. I implemented your suggestion to place the fo.write after all<BR> > of the parameters. I did that and it worked partially.<BR> > ><BR> > > I am using a CSS drop menu, with a touch of javascript. FF of course <BR> > doesn't cause any issues. However, IE6 doesn't agree with this at all. Upon<BR> > rolling over the menu, the flash movie still forces the menu items behind<BR> > it. I have tried a number of z-index solutions with no success. <BR> > ><BR> > > If you have the time, could you please show me a contextual example of how<BR> > this should work?<BR> > ><BR> > > Thanks again for all of your hard work!<BR> > ><BR> > > Brion <BR> _______________________________________________<BR> SWFObject mailing list<BR> <A href="mailto:SWFObject@lists.deconcept.com">SWFObject@lists.deconcept.com</A><BR> <A href="http://lists.deconcept.com/listinfo.cgi/swfobject-deconcept.com">http://lists.deconcept.com/listinfo.cgi/swfobject-deconcept.com</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt"><BR> <BR clear="all"> <BR> -- <BR> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR> Brion K. 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