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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>well</span></font></span>, that assumes that they know
what 'adobe' is or what 'flash' even is.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>i would imagine that to many (probably most) web users, seening that
activex bar at the top of their browser would just automatically set of alarms.
not to mention all the anti-spyware software out there these days.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:30.75pt'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But if
they have no Flash <span class=SpellE>plugin</span> at all installed (as
opposed to a simple flash player upgrade) then at some stage of their
experience with a Flash site they must see the jigsaw piece asking them if they
want to install the plug in. Or is this avoidable by some method that I’m not
aware of?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Aug 16, 2006, at 6:45 PM, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Chris Colman</st1:PersonName>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
class=grame><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>as</span></font></span>
for the main question: I decided that showing the user a custom message instead
of just displaying the little puzzle piece was a better user experience. which
is why I direct people to go to the adobe site. this way they don't need to
install any activex controls from your site that they might have trust issues
with. <span class=grame>or</span> try to install plugins that they aren't sure
about - since there are so many out there these days, will they really
recognize and trust the flash player?<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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margin-left:30.75pt'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think most people would trust the Flash
player. People who wouldn’t trust the Flash player are probably the same people
who don’t trust cookies and <span class=spelle>javascript</span> either so
trying to provide them with a satisfactory web experience is like trying to
reason with a 2 year old who doesn’t want to eat their greens.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Aug 16, 2006,
at 3:21 AM, Aran Rhee wrote:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Chris</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>quickly looking through the swfObject code, you can see that you
can set it as the last param in the constructor:</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>deconcept.SWFObject
= function(swf, id, w, h, ver, c, useExpressInstall, quality, xiRedirectUrl,
redirectUrl, detectKey)<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>which means you should be able to do something like:</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>var so = new
SWFObject("movie.swf", "mymovie", "200",
"100", "7", "#336699", false, "high",
"", "", false);<br>
so.write("flashcontent");<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>I am actually unsure as what to pass in for the no value
xiRedirectUrl and redirectUrl values without testing it, but if it is not
an empty string (as above), then you should be able to pass in null.</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>var so = new
SWFObject("movie.swf", "mymovie", "200",
"100", "7", "#336699", false, "high",
null, null, false);<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Geoff, any quick clarification you can add to this?</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Cheers,</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Aran</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com">swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com</a>
[<a href="mailto:swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com">mailto:swfobject-bounces@lists.deconcept.com</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Chris Colman</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 16 August 2006
3:57 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:swfobject@lists.deconcept.com">swfobject@lists.deconcept.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [SWFObject] Opera and
Firefox</span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>How do I get the effect of <span class=spelle>detectflash</span>=false
without having to make sure the page was requested with <span class=grame>the ?</span><span
class=spelle>detectflash</span>=false parameter?<O:P></O:P></span></font><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
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